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Should all underclassmen continue to wrestle, Region 1 would have almost as many returning state placewinners (25) as the other three regions combined (29)

REGION ONE (25)
OG 10 Logan Davis 2nd-106
NM 9 Noah Hess 3rd-106
Cam 9 Slaton Pettit 5th-106
EF 11 Levi Carpenter 2nd-113
OG 9 Hayden Lamb 5th-113
TC 10 Kaden Huffman 6th-113
FS 10 Caden Michalski 6th-120
Cam 10 Ashton Hoge 5th-126
FS 10 Hunter Spitznogle 5th-132
FS 11 Kolbie Hamilton 1st-138
Cam 11 Payton Neely 4th-138
BS 11 Isaac Harris 5th-145
FS 11 Dominic Armistead 6th-145
BS 9 Evan Zombro 2nd-152
OG 11 Braxton Dlugopolski 5th-152
TC 11 Trenton Huffman 3rd-160
Cam 11 Adam Angel 2nd-170
FS 11 Michael Kruzel 5th-170
BS 11 Gabriel Clark 6th-170
FS 10 Dylan Ours 3rd-195
EF 11 JT Miller 4th-195
StM 11 Cody Houser 1st-220
Cam 11 Gunner Bryan 4th-285
EF 11 Evan Helm 5th-285
StM 10 Ben Wagstaff 6th-285

REGION TWO (10)
Elkins 10 Gavin Boland 4th-106
Clay 10 Zane Minger 2nd-120
Dodd 11 Riley Curran 2nd-132
Ritchie 11 Kodi Camp 2nd-138
Brax 10 Blayne Jarvis 3rd-138
Lewis 11 Trenton Bush 3rd-152
Brax 11 Jackson Davis 5th-160
Brax 11 Bryce Leegan 5th-182
EH 11 Mason Miller 6th-182
Clay 11 Noah Casto 2nd-220

REGION THREE (11)
Indy 10 Dillon Perdue 1st-106
GrW 10 Tucker Lilly 4th-113
GrW 11 Clayton Robinson 6th-126
GrW 10 Moses Gray 6th-132
Indy 10 Caelyb Nichols 6th-138
Indy 11 Judah Price 2nd-145
Hoover 11 Andrew Rollyson 6th-152
Indy 11 Colton Caron 1st-170
Nich 11 Dalton Hanshaw 4th-170
GrW 10 Cole Vandall 4th-182
Indy 11 Logan Isom 3rd-285

REGION FOUR (8)
Siss 11 Jojo High 6th-106
Point 10 Nathan Wood 1st-113
Point 10 Connor Blessing 1st-120
Point 9 Gunner Andrick 1st-126
Point 9 Josh Woyan 1st-152
Win 11 Logan Howell 2nd-182
Nitro 11 Scott Worstell 3rd-220
Point 10 Kolton Weaver 2nd-285

Example #256255 that Region 1 is by far the best region in AA and the most competitive.

Bearhug wrote:Example #256255 that Region 1 is by far the best region in AA and the most competitive.

106 Dillon Perdue, Independence
113 Nathan Wood, Point Pleasant
120 Conner Blessing, Point Pleasant
126 Gunner Andrick, Point Pleasant
132 Braxton Smith, Nitro
138 Kolbie Hamilton, Fairmont Senior
145 Justin Bartee, Point Pleasant
152 Josh Woyan, Point Pleasant
160 Derek Raike, Point Pleasant
170 Colten Caron, Independence
182 Ian Bush, Cameron-A
195 Tate Britton, Sissonville
220 Cody Houser, St. Marys-A
285 Mason Atkinson, Herbert Hoover

State Champs by Region:
Region 1 - 3
Region 2 - 0
Region 3 - 3
Region 4 - 8

aacoach126 wrote:

Bearhug wrote:Example #256255 that Region 1 is by far the best region in AA and the most competitive.

106 Dillon Perdue, Independence
113 Nathan Wood, Point Pleasant
120 Conner Blessing, Point Pleasant
126 Gunner Andrick, Point Pleasant
132 Braxton Smith, Nitro
138 Kolbie Hamilton, Fairmont Senior
145 Justin Bartee, Point Pleasant
152 Josh Woyan, Point Pleasant
160 Derek Raike, Point Pleasant
170 Colten Caron, Independence
182 Ian Bush, Cameron-A
195 Tate Britton, Sissonville
220 Cody Houser, St. Marys-A
285 Mason Atkinson, Herbert Hoover

State Champs by Region:
Region 1 - 3
Region 2 - 0
Region 3 - 3
Region 4 - 8

I'm not taking anything away from the state champions, in which yes Region 4 had the most. However as a whole, it is much easier to send a full team of wrestlers to states in regions: 2-4 compared to region 1. Region 4 only has eight returning underclassmen, that's less than double of Reigon1, so of course Point Pleasant will have an easier time taking their whole team to states, compared to Fairmont Senior, Cameron, Oak Glen, and Berkley Springs. Same goes with regions 2-3.

Bearhug wrote:

aacoach126 wrote:

Bearhug wrote:Example #256255 that Region 1 is by far the best region in AA and the most competitive.

106 Dillon Perdue, Independence
113 Nathan Wood, Point Pleasant
120 Conner Blessing, Point Pleasant
126 Gunner Andrick, Point Pleasant
132 Braxton Smith, Nitro
138 Kolbie Hamilton, Fairmont Senior
145 Justin Bartee, Point Pleasant
152 Josh Woyan, Point Pleasant
160 Derek Raike, Point Pleasant
170 Colten Caron, Independence
182 Ian Bush, Cameron-A
195 Tate Britton, Sissonville
220 Cody Houser, St. Marys-A
285 Mason Atkinson, Herbert Hoover

State Champs by Region:
Region 1 - 3
Region 2 - 0
Region 3 - 3
Region 4 - 8

I'm not taking anything away from the state champions, in which yes Region 4 had the most. However as a whole, it is much easier to send a full team of wrestlers to states in regions: 2-4 compared to region 1. Region 4 only has eight returning underclassmen, that's less than double of Reigon1, so of course Point Pleasant will have an easier time taking their whole team to states, compared to Fairmont Senior, Cameron, Oak Glen, and Berkley Springs. Same goes with regions 2-3.

I'm just having fun. You had 256255 examples supporting region 1. Now you have at least 1 to support region 4.

aacoach126 wrote:

Bearhug wrote:

aacoach126 wrote:
106 Dillon Perdue, Independence
113 Nathan Wood, Point Pleasant
120 Conner Blessing, Point Pleasant
126 Gunner Andrick, Point Pleasant
132 Braxton Smith, Nitro
138 Kolbie Hamilton, Fairmont Senior
145 Justin Bartee, Point Pleasant
152 Josh Woyan, Point Pleasant
160 Derek Raike, Point Pleasant
170 Colten Caron, Independence
182 Ian Bush, Cameron-A
195 Tate Britton, Sissonville
220 Cody Houser, St. Marys-A
285 Mason Atkinson, Herbert Hoover

State Champs by Region:
Region 1 - 3
Region 2 - 0
Region 3 - 3
Region 4 - 8

I'm not taking anything away from the state champions, in which yes Region 4 had the most. However as a whole, it is much easier to send a full team of wrestlers to states in regions: 2-4 compared to region 1. Region 4 only has eight returning underclassmen, that's less than double of Reigon1, so of course Point Pleasant will have an easier time taking their whole team to states, compared to Fairmont Senior, Cameron, Oak Glen, and Berkley Springs. Same goes with regions 2-3.

I'm just having fun. You had 256255 examples supporting region 1. Now you have at least 1 to support region 4.

Region 4 has Point Pleasant and that's about it. Nitro, Wirt, Winfield, and Sissonville will have a handful of good wrestlers every year but other than that, that's about it. Its a cakewalk for Point to send their entire team to the state tournament year in and year out. Meanwhile it is basically unheard of for a school in Region 1 to send their full lineup to Huntington. I honestly can't remember a team in Region 1 that sent their entire team to states since Region 1 has added Berkley Springs, and Marion County schools. I know Oak Glen used too back in the day, but that was before the schools I mentioned were in Region 1.

Bearhug wrote:

aacoach126 wrote:

Bearhug wrote:

I'm not taking anything away from the state champions, in which yes Region 4 had the most. However as a whole, it is much easier to send a full team of wrestlers to states in regions: 2-4 compared to region 1. Region 4 only has eight returning underclassmen, that's less than double of Reigon1, so of course Point Pleasant will have an easier time taking their whole team to states, compared to Fairmont Senior, Cameron, Oak Glen, and Berkley Springs. Same goes with regions 2-3.

I'm just having fun. You had 256255 examples supporting region 1. Now you have at least 1 to support region 4.

Region 4 has Point Pleasant and that's about it. Nitro, Wirt, Winfield, and Sissonville will have a handful of good wrestlers every year but other than that, that's about it. Its a cakewalk for Point to send their entire team to the state tournament year in and year out. Meanwhile it is basically unheard of for a school in Region 1 to send their full lineup to Huntington. I honestly can't remember a team in Region 1 that sent their entire team to states since Region 1 has added Berkley Springs, and Marion County schools. I know Oak Glen used too back in the day, but that was before the schools I mentioned were in Region 1.

I think Point would send just as many kids if they were placed in any other region.

aacoach126 wrote:

Bearhug wrote:

aacoach126 wrote:
106 Dillon Perdue, Independence
113 Nathan Wood, Point Pleasant
120 Conner Blessing, Point Pleasant
126 Gunner Andrick, Point Pleasant
132 Braxton Smith, Nitro
138 Kolbie Hamilton, Fairmont Senior
145 Justin Bartee, Point Pleasant
152 Josh Woyan, Point Pleasant
160 Derek Raike, Point Pleasant
170 Colten Caron, Independence
182 Ian Bush, Cameron-A
195 Tate Britton, Sissonville
220 Cody Houser, St. Marys-A
285 Mason Atkinson, Herbert Hoover

State Champs by Region:
Region 1 - 3
Region 2 - 0
Region 3 - 3
Region 4 - 8

I'm not taking anything away from the state champions, in which yes Region 4 had the most. However as a whole, it is much easier to send a full team of wrestlers to states in regions: 2-4 compared to region 1. Region 4 only has eight returning underclassmen, that's less than double of Reigon1, so of course Point Pleasant will have an easier time taking their whole team to states, compared to Fairmont Senior, Cameron, Oak Glen, and Berkley Springs. Same goes with regions 2-3.

I'm just having fun. You had 256255 examples supporting region 1. Now you have at least 1 to support region 4.

I think you should re-read the previous post for better clarity on the subject. You say you are just having fun but what is fun about getting proven wrong? It is obvious Region 1 is the toughest region to qualify a full team. The total number of state placers displays that. Are you saying Region 4 is tougher because 1 team had 6 state champs. Thats it? What about the other teams? How many top 10 teams were from Region 4?? Im not sure where you found any example that supports your argument

aacoach126 wrote:

Bearhug wrote:

aacoach126 wrote:
I'm just having fun. You had 256255 examples supporting region 1. Now you have at least 1 to support region 4.

Region 4 has Point Pleasant and that's about it. Nitro, Wirt, Winfield, and Sissonville will have a handful of good wrestlers every year but other than that, that's about it. Its a cakewalk for Point to send their entire team to the state tournament year in and year out. Meanwhile it is basically unheard of for a school in Region 1 to send their full lineup to Huntington. I honestly can't remember a team in Region 1 that sent their entire team to states since Region 1 has added Berkley Springs, and Marion County schools. I know Oak Glen used too back in the day, but that was before the schools I mentioned were in Region 1.

I think Point would send just as many kids if they were placed in any other region.

Not in Region 1, if they were in region 1 could they send their whole team? Yea they could, however could they do it on a year to year basis like they do in Region 4? No way.

Lloyd Christmas wrote:

aacoach126 wrote:

Bearhug wrote:

I'm not taking anything away from the state champions, in which yes Region 4 had the most. However as a whole, it is much easier to send a full team of wrestlers to states in regions: 2-4 compared to region 1. Region 4 only has eight returning underclassmen, that's less than double of Reigon1, so of course Point Pleasant will have an easier time taking their whole team to states, compared to Fairmont Senior, Cameron, Oak Glen, and Berkley Springs. Same goes with regions 2-3.

I'm just having fun. You had 256255 examples supporting region 1. Now you have at least 1 to support region 4.

I think you should re-read the previous post for better clarity on the subject. You say you are just having fun but what is fun about getting proven wrong? It is obvious Region 1 is the toughest region to qualify a full team. The total number of state placers displays that. Are you saying Region 4 is tougher because 1 team had 6 state champs. Thats it? What about the other teams? How many top 10 teams were from Region 4?? Im not sure where you found any example that supports your argument

So what region is the most difficult to win?

Guys, don't take things so seriously. I've never said region 1 isn't a tough region. I presented information that showed that region 4 had the most state champs. Seems to me like a region with that many champs would be a difficult region to compete in.

I'm not disagreeing with your original concept, but not sure of some of your follow-up thoughts. I'm not going to take the time to do the research, but the significance of "taking a full team" is insignificant if the wrestlers don't score any points at the state tournament. Therefore a true test of "tough region" could be the average score of the fourth place wrestlers from each region in the state tournament. Certainly the large number of placers in AA/A Region one supports the "tough region" theory, just not sure of the full team theory concept. The more perennial strong teams there are in a region, then the tougher it is and the teams that moved into region one that were mentioned certainly made it tougher, just like moving PHS and South to region 4 in AAA a few years back significantly shifted some of the "toughness".

Bearhug wrote:

aacoach126 wrote:

Bearhug wrote:Example #256255 that Region 1 is by far the best region in AA and the most competitive.

106 Dillon Perdue, Independence
113 Nathan Wood, Point Pleasant
120 Conner Blessing, Point Pleasant
126 Gunner Andrick, Point Pleasant
132 Braxton Smith, Nitro
138 Kolbie Hamilton, Fairmont Senior
145 Justin Bartee, Point Pleasant
152 Josh Woyan, Point Pleasant
160 Derek Raike, Point Pleasant
170 Colten Caron, Independence
182 Ian Bush, Cameron-A
195 Tate Britton, Sissonville
220 Cody Houser, St. Marys-A
285 Mason Atkinson, Herbert Hoover

State Champs by Region:
Region 1 - 3
Region 2 - 0
Region 3 - 3
Region 4 - 8

I'm not taking anything away from the state champions, in which yes Region 4 had the most. However as a whole, it is much easier to send a full team of wrestlers to states in regions: 2-4 compared to region 1. Region 4 only has eight returning underclassmen, that's less than double of Reigon1, so of course Point Pleasant will have an easier time taking their whole team to states, compared to Fairmont Senior, Cameron, Oak Glen, and Berkley Springs. Same goes with regions 2-3.

We have had this same discussion in previous years. Yes, Point Pleasant qualified their entire team. But here is what their entire team did:

106: Qualified but didn't compete.

113: State Champion

120: State Champion

126: State Champion

132: Made it to the blood round. Lost to eventual 3rd and 6th placers.

138: 5th place

145: State Champion

152: State Champion

160: State Champion

170: Made it to the blood round. Lost to the eventual champion and third placer.

182: Went 1 and 2. Lost to the eventual 5th and 6th placers.

195: Made it to the blood round. Lost to the eventual 2nd and 5th placers.

220: 4th place

285: Runner up.

Based on the final results, Point Pleasant qualified their entire team because their entire team was good. Now, if a given team qualifies their entire team and then they have few place winners, then their region could be deemed weak. 14 wrestlers qualified, but only 9 placed, or 64%.

Fairmont Senior won AA/A Region 1. They qualified 10 out of 14 weight classes. 7 of their wrestlers placed at the states, or 70%.

Yes, Point qualified more. However, their team produced more once they got to the state tournament. 7 finalists.

Did Fairmont Senior have a ranked wrestler NOT qualify because he was in a weight class with more than four ranked wrestlers?

Some of your logic amazes me. How many weight classes had 3 or more state placers from the same region? That is the definition of a tough region. Its typically not easy placing from a third or fourth region spot yet Region 1 had 5 weight classes with 3 placers. Region 4 had 0 weight classes with 3 placers. Region 4 has 3 returning placers from the rest of the region besides point. You put berkeley springs or oak glen in that region they will qualify more for states and score more state tournament points. People care about more than just team titles or individual champs. We all know right now Point doubles up second place. So obviously they would still win from another region. But the rest of the region is weak. Other than point there are only 3 returning placers (8 total) from region 4. Thats it! Compare that to Region 1 with 25. Please tell me again how a region could have as many placers as the other 3 combined and not be considered the toughest region.

Lloyd Christmas wrote:Some of your logic amazes me. How many weight classes had 3 or more state placers from the same region? That is the definition of a tough region. Its typically not easy placing from a third or fourth region spot yet Region 1 had 5 weight classes with 3 placers. Region 4 had 0 weight classes with 3 placers. Region 4 has 3 returning placers from the rest of the region besides point. You put berkeley springs or oak glen in that region they will qualify more for states and score more state tournament points. People care about more than just team titles or individual champs. We all know right now Point doubles up second place. So obviously they would still win from another region. But the rest of the region is weak. Other than point there are only 3 returning placers (8 total) from region 4. Thats it! Compare that to Region 1 with 25. Please tell me again how a region could have as many placers as the other 3 combined and not be considered the toughest region.

Since it is not clear who you are directing your comments toward, I will put on my red hoodie and respond.

Based on the original post to start this discussion, or course Region 1 is the toughest next season. Every season region 1 has 1,2,3 plus top wrestlers coming from all or most of the region's teams. My point was that it wouldn't have mattered if Point was in another region. Point had too many kids win or place higher than all of the region 1 wrestlers.

Furthermore, my point was that Point Pleasant didn't qualify all of their team because they were in a weak region. They had the best team.

I will concede that if Point Pleasant was in region 1, they would have only qualified 11 to 12 wrestlers instead of all 14.